In “liberal” Europe, countries got infection rates down before they reopened schools. Eventually, infection rates went up again after reopening (which was expected). In the US, conservative government(s) prevented all measures to curb infections and want to reopen anyway.
@Anonymous @ Ad hominem attacks- The "Joe Biden" playbook? Do you have a better way to deal with a narcissistic, adult-toddler? Your "boy" is truly unhinged.
OP: I agree that it made sense to open schools in Europe because they got the spread rate under control. What I'm saying is the places here that got the rate down (Northeast, etc) tend to be liberal and didn't open schools. Yet in more conservative places they have not gotten the rates down and are opening schools fully (FL, most of the south). It's all become political and not driven by science, unfortunately.
@Anonymous I found this article interesting. It makes the same point (that it's become politicized) but ties it to a broader trend of the tendency to talk about complex educational issues in simplistic terms, particularly under the "leadership" of DeVos.
When the conservatives pushing schools to open are also the people who downplay the seriousness of the virus, it's easy to see how "open schools" became associated with anti masking, covid-denying, etc. Especially when people are angry at teachers who seem to be legitimately scared after what they witnessed last spring. If any of them die, the conservatives will say, "Well did they have pre-existing conditions/comorbidities?"
I personally don't think teachers suddenly just don't care about teaching kids for absolutely no reason at all or because they're selfish jerks. And when the White House goes against what the CDC says, yeah, you start to say, "the only person looking after me is me." I mean, that's why most people say they're not going to take the vaccine if Trump says it's ok, lol. Would any of you? Always consider the source.
It's not easy for me to see how "open schools" became associated with anti-masking and cover-denying...it is easy to see how teachers enjoyed working from home for the Spring and wanted another run at it in the Fall. Children in public schools = collateral damage. Good luck with that!
@Anonymous Let me explain OR's point to you like you're five: the people who advocate for "Open schools regardless of the numbers and safety measures!" are often the same people who denigrate masks and deny the seriousness of Covid. The most obvious example being the loudmouth in the White House. That is how the two positions became associated.
It is crazy that opening schools has been associated as a "conservative" thing. What happened to prioritizing kids and education? How can you get more progressive than that?
This article in the progressive New Yorker magazine is very clear that the teachers did not want to do anything that the White House was advocating, regardless of the effect on students.
The Students Left Behind by Remote Learning | The New Yorker
www.newyorker.com › magazine › 2020/10/0
Oct 5, 2020 - This article is a collaboration between The New Yorker and ProPublica. Shemar, a twelve-year-old from East Baltimore, is good at math, and ...
I think that's your spin. The facts are that the Trump campaign pressured the CDC about school reopenings. Outside pressure is evil. The fact that some schools are in areas that are ready to safely reopen and some are not is not empirically political.
Wow, that's a sweeping statement, "Outside pressure is evil."
Yeah, I can see why you wanted more input from the federal government and now blame the White House for the pandemic.
@Anonymous Because it's not the federal government's role to give "input" into CDC advice? The input required from government is to take practical steps to implement the expert health advice. Our federal government has done exactly the opposite: all talk and pressure on the experts to change their positions. Minimal actual material help to schools (or any other service for that matter).
I’m an MD. There is no role here for any outside influence. Follow science.
Who is "they"?
msnbc, just watched it