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Went through NYC public from K-12. Screened HS. That people on this board feel entitled to screened schools from K-8 is laughable. No one's screening in highly resourced suburbs and even the least academic students are supported. HS's are highly resourced.
You stayed in NYC because you prioritized living in NYC over moving to any one of the highly resourced public school systems outside of the city. OK. But now you want a customized education for your children on NYC's dime because you decided to stay? The entitlement is ridiculous. No-one in the suburbs SCREENS (although, there is some unadvertised leveling). Teachers have to deal with students of all academic levels. Somehow it works. NYC is not failing your kids. YOU ARE FAILING your kids. NYC is willing to give you a public school. (Or test into one of the specials or move, if your child's education IS YOUR PRIORITY). Stop blaming the DOE for your failure to see the forest from the trees.
People are whining about placement and they don't want to put the work in to know what their kids are capable of. Everyone thinks that their kid is smart and deserving. Well, they are not. Put in the effort for your kid to take the SHSAT or prep them for G&T. Teach them how to write so that they can create killer essays for screened schools. Put in the effort.
You are either obtuse or disingenuous if you fail to acknowledge the screening in the suburbs happens in the ability to buy into the school.
@Anonymous I don't think it can, but it has other competing priorities (unlike the burbs) than finding seats for kids who don't get into the specials. That's why people leave (at least those who prioritize their kids formal education) vs staying in NYC.
So you're saying merit shouldn't matter in K-8 nyc public school system? Ok then, we will reap what we sow. Anyone who cares about merit and hard work will leave the system or even the city. Between the high taxes and cost of living, and what's sure to now be dumbed down public nyc schools, parents who want better for their children will explore options. This city and its leadership are the pits.
I have zero issues with G&T (advancement that is) and SHS that cater to the best of the best. Some kids really need a special program beyond their current grade. But there are very few of them.
Screened schools however is a whole other ballgame. These kids aren’t the best of the best, they should get the same great education as anyone. Teachers can adapt to some differences in level and should be able to support kids who need it and yet challenge stronger kids, this with the support of a whole school resources.
If you follow your logic where does it end? At an early age you group kids together by level, at any level. This has big issues, one is that you are already labeled as a type of child early on simply by the public school you attend. The other is that unless you created a system that push kids out and let some in every year, you give no chance to improve, it wouldn’t work. Also and that‘s the big rub, you will create segregated schools in privileged areas. And last, how do you select the kids? What criteria? A standardized test that everyone decries as being very one dimensional, even most colleges now?
I do not think that widespread screened schools fits today’s mission of public schools in NYC... what fits is a great education for everyone, in every school and locally. What you defend creates the opposite.
@Anonymous Screening is there to allow the schools to teach to the higher level and maintain rigor. See Lowel HS in SF (lottery) and Thomas Jefferson (significantly changed) in VA after their screening processes were changed. Lowell had a big spoke in F and D grades for freshman. TJ had high failure rates in Algebra 2 and concerns about the class not stuyding/trying. One can blame this on Covid disruptions to some degree but not that much.
@Anonymous This can and should be done in each school, locally. There is not need to create standalone schools that will always create unnecessary tensions and sentiment of unfairness, especially considering the criteria to get in is very one dimensional.
Same as last year, people should have known and had back up plans. The DOE is in full meltdown & any bright kid who is a good student is screwed unless they are "lucky".
That said why would a “not as good” student not be treated as well as a good one? Why would only good students have access to the best teachers? DOE is a public service and should serve everyone well but the same. If you want ”better” it is/should be covered by private.
@Anonymous academically screened schools have generally been around to keep middle/upper class parents who are concerned about a good education for their kids in the NYC school system. And possibly in NYC period. Without that as an option people will leave. Whether anyone actually cares about that I have no idea.
@Anonymous I think the point is academic rigor. And by definition a not so good students won’t thrive in an academically rigorous school
No. Same shitshow as last year.
Anecdotally seeing people got none of their 12 choices and placed in random bad schools. Some got decent things but clearly totally random…
They took away many ways to game the system. You need a back up plan.