I know this board claims to be all goody two shoes types, but EVERYONE I know in real life is currently traveling as if not a care in the world. Most are in Florida, others skiing either out west or in VT. A couple international. Don't even bother mentioning quarantining to them as it's clear they will do as they please and come back to NY on Sunday and go back to work/school. I just don't get it.
I agree I can’t get over it. Can’t everyone just sit tight for a year? Is that too much to ask?
I don't understand it either. So many people we know are traveling, and I keep finding more people I know where whole family got covid.
I traveled, but I was as careful as possible. Test before flight, booked on a day wiht less than 30% capacity (early dec), wore N95s on flight, quarantined upon arrival, then got another test after 5 day period. Only seeing in laws who also quarantine. I don't go places with crowds, if I go anywhere at all. I am trying to move here and have been for months, so really needed to get out here to look at the houses (we don't have to really interact with anyone during this process so it is safe). I felt kind of bad doing this but at the same time, we really need to move so it had to be done.
we have to stop describing 'traveling' as one activity. There ARE ways to travel safely. If you are going alone, esp if you are not flying but instead driving, and not interacting with other humans - there is nothing wrong with traveling. People also have to stop themselves going completely insane and if they're not traveling to interact with others then really why shouldn't they go.
No. Everyone should be staying in their own private home and not engaging with anyone outside of their household. Period. Full stop.
All shops should be pick-up only, no customers should be allowed inside anywhere, restaurants should be delivery or take away. Travel, even "safe" travel, spread the virus and allows new variants to move beyond local clusters. STAY HOME, STAY ALIVE!
@Anonymous You know that the vast, vast majority of people need to leave their home to WORK, right? You are the epitome of the clueless 1%.
@anonymous +1 i know it is scary but this kind of thinking is beyond unrealistic and almost no one is able to do this. I haven't eaten inside a restaurant, been in a plane, socialized indoors except once (in mid summer after quarantining) since march. but we have kids - we cannot literally lock them in a basement.
well what about the people who are posting it on social media? do they not realize they are subjecting themselves to judgement once they return? if their childs school has to close for a period of time because of people traveling why would they want to advertise they are part of this problem? cant people keep anything private- must they put everything they do out there for all to see?
they prob dont care. everyone is just trying to do the best they can. you have to assume they will quarantine and most schools are remote for first week for this reason.
Yet more reasons why I deactivated my Facebook account
I've made this analogy before, but it's similar to the arguments regarding abstinence vs safe sex. Only the former 100% prevent pregnancy, but the latter is important to teach because, in practice, people aren't going to be abstinent and you need to teach preventative measures. Yes, staying home saves lives, but there is also a way to minimize risk depending on the safety measures taken when people go out. When there was low community spread, we went on a socially distant vacation and it was really no different than me staying at my home, in terms of risk, etc. If the only message we have is "stay home" we are missing the opportunity to promote safe measures for those who do choose to travel.
I've said this before, but if you give people an inch, they will always find a way to take a mile and justify it.
@Anonymous yes, but they're doing that already.
@Anonymous +100000. people are already taking miles they are just doing it without guidance.
So you're saying those people up here in Vermont aren't quarantining for 14 days beforehand like the resorts are asking them to attest to, for threat of being shut down by the governor? ;)
I do have to say it's ... not sure ironic is the right word, but I'll use it here ... that Vermonters have been asked/required to not affiliate with any other household either inside the home or outside the home for informal gatherings since mid-November, but visitors are coming and staying in multi family ski homes and doing their own thing.
We are trying so hard to keep the numbers down so that kids can stay in school. I'm grateful the governor has made in-person schooling a priority, but disheartened at what I have seen this week.
the whole country is being told if possible not to mix with other households but what makes people ignore it is the lack of science. Eg inside - sure dont mix with another household. If you are in a park and wearing a mask - there is almost zero chance of transmission. it's the inches, miles thing again - people need to trust scientific advice and realistically be able to follow it. would be WAY better to say 'if you are going to meet people, do so outside with masks' than just 'don't meet.'
@Anonymous I look at how they closed boating in Central Park this summer, and think that what we really should have done is opened things like outdoor boating and similar, safe, outdoor activities. The more we create safe ways to socialize outdoors, the less people will be meeting indoors.
VT permits "quarantining" before travel if you drive to VT. That's what everyone is doing who is coming from NY.
I've been shocked at how everyone, literally everyone, is seeing family for the holidays. You would have no idea we are in a pandemic if you saw my social media feed. It seems only people who post on this board are actually following the guidance?
It's obviously some sort of selection bias that you are only aware of people who are seeing family. I'm not posting any pictures from my stay in apartment week.
Honestly, I can think of one or two people on my social media feed who is traveling. Everyone else has been hunkered down, or at least isn't posting about their travel.
Agree. I'm shocked at what I see posted online. Mexico, FL, VT...ridiculous.
I just saw photos from someone traveling in New Zealand. Does that even make sense? I thought you can't go there?
You are right. The numbers are so high in certain tourist areas in the South because people have traveled in. The amount of ski pics is unbelievable to me
Hopefully schools are requiring a clear test before coming back. Glad ours is!
Tests are worthless unless preceded by a 7 day quarantine and unless you quarantine after until school starts, though.
Not everyone is traveling, and not everyone is seeing family for the holidays, we haven't done either of those things.
Yeah, only the people posting on this board it seems. Guess it makes sense, everyone else is out enjoying their life!