How come we don't talk about the fact that essential worker daycare stayed open throughout the pandemic and they did just fine. I assume this was indoors as well for many hours a day. What is different about school?
You know what else doesn't track with that narrative? That many states are opening up childcare "hubs" for kids when they aren't in school, on their "off days." So we are basically paying for people to watch our children when they should be attending schools free of charge with the teachers paid for already by our taxes. And if low-paid non-union daycare workers can come in and "risk" themselves, wtf is so special about the teachers??
I know that. But I need to go back to the office in September and I need schools to open. How does the mayor envision this all to work? He will bk the City if he doesn't put his foot down.
@Anonymous thank you. this is SUCH a hard issue. I think in NYC schools can open pretty safely but for public schools, DOE isn't doing enough. someone will get sick, especially if the ventilation is bad; hopefully pods/cohorting will keep the numbers way down/contained. zero risk is impossible, and who wants to be the teacher who gets sick and brings it home? who wants their kid to get sick and be the one that has bad complications? but even with a vaccine and good treatments, it will never be zero risk.
I am an essential worker (ER doctor). My kids went to childcare throughout that time (and the kids were maskless!) and there were NO outbreaks in our state. I'm talking about it a whole lot, as is our state's chapter of the AAP. The pediatricians think K-5 should absolutely be back in school full time in our area, and this is one of the many arguments they have made for it.
My kids all went to camp (indoors, unmasked, in pods) and it was fine. I think that schools, on the whole, will be fine. I think that what will happen, however, is that people will freak out if one or two bad cases happen. People can't assess risk.
Along those lines, I hate the reports in the media about Covid outbreaks in schools, where the schools are in hotspots and clearly not in a position to reopen in the first place. These reports do not take into account this nuance, and causes undue fear in locations where the infection rate is well under 1%.
I also think there is a chicken and egg going on. Are people getting infected outside of school and coming in infected, or are people safe at home and getting infected at school? If the latter, schools should be open.
That doesn't track with the narrative that opening schools = throwing teachers into a DEATH PIT.
You know what else doesn't track with that narrative? That many states are opening up childcare "hubs" for kids when they aren't in school, on their "off days." So we are basically paying for people to watch our children when they should be attending schools free of charge with the teachers paid for already by our taxes. And if low-paid non-union daycare workers can come in and "risk" themselves, wtf is so special about the teachers??
I know that. But I need to go back to the office in September and I need schools to open. How does the mayor envision this all to work? He will bk the City if he doesn't put his foot down.
did it do just fine, though? i have never seen any data about those centers either way.
People bash me for posting about this site, but you can look at some data here. https://emilyoster.substack.com/p/friday-bonus-child-care-data
@Anonymous thank you. this is SUCH a hard issue. I think in NYC schools can open pretty safely but for public schools, DOE isn't doing enough. someone will get sick, especially if the ventilation is bad; hopefully pods/cohorting will keep the numbers way down/contained. zero risk is impossible, and who wants to be the teacher who gets sick and brings it home? who wants their kid to get sick and be the one that has bad complications? but even with a vaccine and good treatments, it will never be zero risk.
I am an essential worker (ER doctor). My kids went to childcare throughout that time (and the kids were maskless!) and there were NO outbreaks in our state. I'm talking about it a whole lot, as is our state's chapter of the AAP. The pediatricians think K-5 should absolutely be back in school full time in our area, and this is one of the many arguments they have made for it.
My kids all went to camp (indoors, unmasked, in pods) and it was fine. I think that schools, on the whole, will be fine. I think that what will happen, however, is that people will freak out if one or two bad cases happen. People can't assess risk.
Along those lines, I hate the reports in the media about Covid outbreaks in schools, where the schools are in hotspots and clearly not in a position to reopen in the first place. These reports do not take into account this nuance, and causes undue fear in locations where the infection rate is well under 1%.
I also think there is a chicken and egg going on. Are people getting infected outside of school and coming in infected, or are people safe at home and getting infected at school? If the latter, schools should be open.