I can't speak to all situations. I'm sticking with socializing outdoors, so I'm not sure what people are doing in the privacy of their own apartments. Mask compliance is near 100% in stores, though.
Getting out with precautions is great. That takes vigilance. Getting out without masks and “going back to normal” is not. So yes, I’d say that NY is staying vigilant and tough. It’s not easy to teach an old dog new tricks. Ppl have adopted a new way of life and need to continue that to keep rates down.
We just got back in Monday. I'm running around the park (with my mask on), running into people I know, going to my favorite local stores, getting takeout... it's great. Feels so much different than when we left in early May.
I think the big takeaway is that news reports don't give an accurate impression of day to day life. Earlier this week I saw a long string of moving trucks up and down the street. On closer examination, they were being rented by delivery people who were delivering amazon and other packages to tenants. So rather than moving vans for people moving out these were rented trucks for all the people who are still here.
@Anonymous Agree. Just got back and have been running around doing errands, appointments etc. No more homeless than usual UNLESS you go to certain places like the hotels on the UWS and down by Penn Station. I thought I wouldn't feel safe and I did. Feels just like normal but with masks.
@Anon I live near those hotels on the UWS. Yes, there are definitely more homeless people around and apparently the city stopped picking up trash BUT it's still nice and feels safe. And I've never been a city lover but I'm tired of all these stories about how the city is on the verge of collapse.
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Anonymous
Sep 04, 2020
So funny...in my rental building about 40 people out of 200+ have moved out over the past six months...about a dozen listings on StreetEasy that never budge. The moving vans are real, Realtors, although I can see why you would want to talk up your book...
I don't think this site is filled with realtors. We left for a while and have been back for a while too. What I can say is that where I live, on the UWS, there is an increase in visible homeless population. That being said, I have been very happy to be back in NYC. And the people I see leaving are generally people who have suffered a financial setback or were going to leave anyway because of too small apartments and a bad public school situation, and are now desperately trying to convince themselves that life will be just as good in Florida or North Carolina.
Anonymous
Sep 05, 2020
@anonymous I can't imagine life being good in FL, I dislike that state with a vengeance, but to each heir own.
Cute story urging everyone to hurry up and move to the suburbs already so we can all get back to enjoying the city: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/09/obviously-new-york-is-a-fiery-hellscape-of-crime-and-misery.html
Anonymous
Sep 06, 2020
This was fun yesterday too
Anonymous
Sep 06, 2020
Anonymous
Sep 06, 2020
I know it's not chic to mention the Citizen app in this river of denial; of course it's not Realtors who are talking up NY it's just those 79th Street UWS homeowners trying to get the heck out ;)
OK so the answer to my question on whether crime is resulting from the UWS homeless situation is no, right? And did you actually read this article? The rate of gun related violence is up after being historically low for many decades, and it is nothing like in the 1980s and 1990s. It is a bad thing for sure, but this is not driving people out of Uptown Manhattan because that's not where these shootings are taking place. As the article also notes, other crimes (theft, burglary, assault) are DOWN this summer leaving the overall crime rate flat.
Anonymous
Sep 07, 2020
@anonymous And this was kind of a shocker today too:
Anonymous
Sep 07, 2020
Wrong...if you believe in the broken window theory, then the onslaught of homeless and housing for addicts being relocated to the Upper West Side then this is the beginning of a pendulum swing back toward the levels previously seen in the 1970s through Giuliani. Sure if you want to be a relativist, it's "not as bad as it was then" but - relative to how it was during the Bloomberg years for example - living conditions on the UES and UWS have certainly deteriorated.
I'm the OP. My comment was simply to say that my lived experience is different than the news / statistics cited above. Being here feels great, and posting from the post or the west side rag aren't going to change that lived experience.
Anonymous
Sep 08, 2020
Right - lived experiences in an UMC bubble!
A body was pulled from a pond in Central Park yesterday at 12 noon - would you let your child walk to or from school through the park if he might come upon another dead body? I feel great every day with my phalanx of doormen, porters, and other effective security between me and the street too. But outside, it's different. Two doormen I know have been assaulted or mugged recently...and every night, they're heading back outside the bubble. Not much else protecting us right now...
Great. Glad you are enjoying. And glad she’s back. Are ppl still taking precautions? More chatter about second wave.
I can't speak to all situations. I'm sticking with socializing outdoors, so I'm not sure what people are doing in the privacy of their own apartments. Mask compliance is near 100% in stores, though.
We are coming in next weekend after a long time away. Glad to hear that NYC is staying tough
Getting out with precautions is great. That takes vigilance. Getting out without masks and “going back to normal” is not. So yes, I’d say that NY is staying vigilant and tough. It’s not easy to teach an old dog new tricks. Ppl have adopted a new way of life and need to continue that to keep rates down.
We just got back in Monday. I'm running around the park (with my mask on), running into people I know, going to my favorite local stores, getting takeout... it's great. Feels so much different than when we left in early May.
I think the big takeaway is that news reports don't give an accurate impression of day to day life. Earlier this week I saw a long string of moving trucks up and down the street. On closer examination, they were being rented by delivery people who were delivering amazon and other packages to tenants. So rather than moving vans for people moving out these were rented trucks for all the people who are still here.
Which neighborhood? How’s the homeless situation near you?
@Anonymous Agree. Just got back and have been running around doing errands, appointments etc. No more homeless than usual UNLESS you go to certain places like the hotels on the UWS and down by Penn Station. I thought I wouldn't feel safe and I did. Feels just like normal but with masks.
@Anon I went to Penn Station to donate blood and the only people there were cops and homeless. But I felt safe.
@Anon I live near those hotels on the UWS. Yes, there are definitely more homeless people around and apparently the city stopped picking up trash BUT it's still nice and feels safe. And I've never been a city lover but I'm tired of all these stories about how the city is on the verge of collapse.
So funny...in my rental building about 40 people out of 200+ have moved out over the past six months...about a dozen listings on StreetEasy that never budge. The moving vans are real, Realtors, although I can see why you would want to talk up your book...
I don't think this site is filled with realtors. We left for a while and have been back for a while too. What I can say is that where I live, on the UWS, there is an increase in visible homeless population. That being said, I have been very happy to be back in NYC. And the people I see leaving are generally people who have suffered a financial setback or were going to leave anyway because of too small apartments and a bad public school situation, and are now desperately trying to convince themselves that life will be just as good in Florida or North Carolina.
@anonymous I can't imagine life being good in FL, I dislike that state with a vengeance, but to each heir own.
Washington square park is taken over by homeless people
The destroyed stores in Soho - never coming back...Upside: May be easier to get into those pesky downtown schools!
I didn't realize people were still using the adjective "pesky."
@anonymous Clearly you're not a former UB-er - pesky is an understatement!
Cute story urging everyone to hurry up and move to the suburbs already so we can all get back to enjoying the city: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2020/09/obviously-new-york-is-a-fiery-hellscape-of-crime-and-misery.html
This was fun yesterday too
I know it's not chic to mention the Citizen app in this river of denial; of course it's not Realtors who are talking up NY it's just those 79th Street UWS homeowners trying to get the heck out ;)
And this is haaaardly a conservative rag...
This was classy too:
https://patch.com/new-york/chelsea-ny/calendar/event/20200905/882539/nyc-united-nationwide-mass-protests-sat-sept-5-demand-trump-penc
OK so the answer to my question on whether crime is resulting from the UWS homeless situation is no, right? And did you actually read this article? The rate of gun related violence is up after being historically low for many decades, and it is nothing like in the 1980s and 1990s. It is a bad thing for sure, but this is not driving people out of Uptown Manhattan because that's not where these shootings are taking place. As the article also notes, other crimes (theft, burglary, assault) are DOWN this summer leaving the overall crime rate flat.
@anonymous And this was kind of a shocker today too:
Wrong...if you believe in the broken window theory, then the onslaught of homeless and housing for addicts being relocated to the Upper West Side then this is the beginning of a pendulum swing back toward the levels previously seen in the 1970s through Giuliani. Sure if you want to be a relativist, it's "not as bad as it was then" but - relative to how it was during the Bloomberg years for example - living conditions on the UES and UWS have certainly deteriorated.
I'm the OP. My comment was simply to say that my lived experience is different than the news / statistics cited above. Being here feels great, and posting from the post or the west side rag aren't going to change that lived experience.
Right - lived experiences in an UMC bubble!
A body was pulled from a pond in Central Park yesterday at 12 noon - would you let your child walk to or from school through the park if he might come upon another dead body? I feel great every day with my phalanx of doormen, porters, and other effective security between me and the street too. But outside, it's different. Two doormen I know have been assaulted or mugged recently...and every night, they're heading back outside the bubble. Not much else protecting us right now...