@ Anonymous I'm pretty well convinced that outdoor mask-wearing is mostly for show (unless you're in a crowd or standing right next to someone talking for an extended period of time). I do it religiously btw, but I don't think it prevents squat.
I think it's too hard to tell people to wear masks inside but not outside. There would be less compliance. So they just tell people to wear masks at all times (although I think this is only a NYC thing.)
Not my experience. 99% of the people I see in Brooklyn are wearing their masks outside. I think it is theater in the sense that it is to make mask wearing more normal, but I am all for it. I remember in the beginning so many people felt weird wearing them until it became the norm.
Requiring masks in the streets, gloves in shops, temperature scans for kids (b/c most are asymptomatic), shoe disinfection. Also I don’t wash my hands as much as I used to because this is airborne so if I’m gonna get it, its my time.
masks on the sidewalk is such virtue signaling. Not only are you outside, reasonably distanced, but you are also next to people for so short. 15 minutes is what estimated exposure time needs to be.
I couldn't agree with you more but I find that people are going to believe what they want to believe. I have a friend who still wipes down her groceries. It doesn't matter what the CDC says, she believes there will be a huge second wave and will not leave her apartment.
yes, I went into a NYC store for the first time yesterday. They were wiping the counters down between customers. Umm, we all just literally were touching the same merchandise, this is unhelpful.
I'm good with following most rules but I really don't care if they "deep clean" overnight -- as some organizations have promised. If I'm inside with other people breathing and touching things, the fact that you deep cleaned 8 hours ago doesn't do a heck of a lot.
@Anonymous Given kids' propensity for putting their hands on everything, and touching their faces/masks etc, more cleaning is probably better. Whether it will make much difference when they're in a room together all day anyway is debatable.
DDs school is doing a great job so they can open in person, but TBH, I think some of their new rules are just too much. Example - the kids aren’t allowed to bring anything into the building. No backpacks. No HW papers or projects. Nothing. Kids can’t even ride a scooter to school and leave it in the entryway scooter parking. I don‘t think Covid is going to leap off a scooter and infect someone.
School has put lots of protocols in place that make touching another kids scooter extremely unlikely. Ex. The kids enter and exit the building one at a time accompanied by a teacher and they stay in their classrooms the whole day except for recess, which is an entirely different door no where near the entryway. I guess the risk/benefit of letting kids ride a scooter to school vs. having them take public transport confuses me. The scooter cuts our school commute time in half making it manageable. Will probably take the public bus to school most days now. The chances of my DC catching Covid on the bus and bringing it to school are much higher than another student touching DCs scooter and catching covid. We typically only take the bus if it is snowing or pouring.
Yes, DH was recently scanned and the thermometer read 95.7. He was ushered through. Um, if the thermometer reads 95.7, there's something wrong with the thermometer.
The whole thing is a circus. I wear gloves bc of the endless pressure to use sanitizer (my skin cannot take it), and the compulsory public hand washing with these foamy soaps that give me terrible eczema.
I don’t think you are going to change people’s mind so just do whatever you feel like. I live in the middle of nyc and am not particularly worried about Covid and never wear a mask outside. I keep it around my ears though just so I don’t look as bad
This is such a privileged opinion to hold. Clearly you don’t have serious fears about health complications, receiving health care, temporary loss of income, suffer from anxiety, or lack a support network who could care for your dependents. I am similarly privileged but do not scoff at taking every precaution to make the most vulnerable among us (or those who feel vulnerable) feel a bit safer. Do temp checks, outdoor mask-wearing, store cleanings, etc. make a difference? Idk. But people’s feelings are real and should be respected. Please recognize that the fact that you don’t share these fears signifies some level of privilege (good heath, able-bodied, a history of having your medical concerns affirmed, job stability, savings, familial support) that not everybody has.
To the contrary, I think that false security measures distract from real health issues. People won't follow the important mandates if they see that much of the mandates are ineffective. Additionally, some of these measure actively hurt people in other ways, so it's not an issue of benign action.
What do you mean? What have you seen?
@ Anonymous I'm pretty well convinced that outdoor mask-wearing is mostly for show (unless you're in a crowd or standing right next to someone talking for an extended period of time). I do it religiously btw, but I don't think it prevents squat.
I think it's too hard to tell people to wear masks inside but not outside. There would be less compliance. So they just tell people to wear masks at all times (although I think this is only a NYC thing.)
@Anonymous It cuts both ways. If people look at a specific rule and know that it's stupid and unhelpful, they start to doubt other rules as well.
Not my experience. 99% of the people I see in Brooklyn are wearing their masks outside. I think it is theater in the sense that it is to make mask wearing more normal, but I am all for it. I remember in the beginning so many people felt weird wearing them until it became the norm.
Requiring masks in the streets, gloves in shops, temperature scans for kids (b/c most are asymptomatic), shoe disinfection. Also I don’t wash my hands as much as I used to because this is airborne so if I’m gonna get it, its my time.
masks on the sidewalk is such virtue signaling. Not only are you outside, reasonably distanced, but you are also next to people for so short. 15 minutes is what estimated exposure time needs to be.
@Anonymous or you could call it normalizing masks instead of virtue signaling.
Or: I don’t think masks should be normalized precisely because they are safety theater.
I couldn't agree with you more but I find that people are going to believe what they want to believe. I have a friend who still wipes down her groceries. It doesn't matter what the CDC says, she believes there will be a huge second wave and will not leave her apartment.
yes, I went into a NYC store for the first time yesterday. They were wiping the counters down between customers. Umm, we all just literally were touching the same merchandise, this is unhelpful.
Back in March/April we did grocery wipe downs, masks & gloves and still got it from a grocery store. Np
Agree. This is ridiculous Also, when you help me in the store you’re near me, but when I pay you‘re behind plexie????
sure. but if they don't do it some customer will bitch.
That's why it's theater. It's not for any real safety need, but just the "act" of safety
I'm good with following most rules but I really don't care if they "deep clean" overnight -- as some organizations have promised. If I'm inside with other people breathing and touching things, the fact that you deep cleaned 8 hours ago doesn't do a heck of a lot.
Our school said they are cleaning in the middle of the day. Still not sure if this matters.
@Anonymous i agree it probably doesn't matter but apparently it is something my kid is anxious about.
@Anonymous Given kids' propensity for putting their hands on everything, and touching their faces/masks etc, more cleaning is probably better. Whether it will make much difference when they're in a room together all day anyway is debatable.
I clicked ont his thinking you had gone to a movie theatre recently. Disappointed.
I'll try harder next time. Sorry, I haven't been to a movie theatre in about 10 years.
I too was hoping for a story about transmitting Covid in an AMC!
DDs school is doing a great job so they can open in person, but TBH, I think some of their new rules are just too much. Example - the kids aren’t allowed to bring anything into the building. No backpacks. No HW papers or projects. Nothing. Kids can’t even ride a scooter to school and leave it in the entryway scooter parking. I don‘t think Covid is going to leap off a scooter and infect someone.
But children could touch other children’s scooters. Fomite transmission. No one ever said that the virus jumps from one object to another.
School has put lots of protocols in place that make touching another kids scooter extremely unlikely. Ex. The kids enter and exit the building one at a time accompanied by a teacher and they stay in their classrooms the whole day except for recess, which is an entirely different door no where near the entryway. I guess the risk/benefit of letting kids ride a scooter to school vs. having them take public transport confuses me. The scooter cuts our school commute time in half making it manageable. Will probably take the public bus to school most days now. The chances of my DC catching Covid on the bus and bringing it to school are much higher than another student touching DCs scooter and catching covid. We typically only take the bus if it is snowing or pouring.
You cannot prevent a child from inadvertently touching the wrong scooter.
there is a ton of temperature taking theater
Yes, DH was recently scanned and the thermometer read 95.7. He was ushered through. Um, if the thermometer reads 95.7, there's something wrong with the thermometer.
The doe saying kids have to be 6 ft apart AND masked even when outside. Wait, is that theater or incompetence?
Both, at high level
The plastic shield. Useless
The whole thing is a circus. I wear gloves bc of the endless pressure to use sanitizer (my skin cannot take it), and the compulsory public hand washing with these foamy soaps that give me terrible eczema.
I don’t think you are going to change people’s mind so just do whatever you feel like. I live in the middle of nyc and am not particularly worried about Covid and never wear a mask outside. I keep it around my ears though just so I don’t look as bad
This is such a privileged opinion to hold. Clearly you don’t have serious fears about health complications, receiving health care, temporary loss of income, suffer from anxiety, or lack a support network who could care for your dependents. I am similarly privileged but do not scoff at taking every precaution to make the most vulnerable among us (or those who feel vulnerable) feel a bit safer. Do temp checks, outdoor mask-wearing, store cleanings, etc. make a difference? Idk. But people’s feelings are real and should be respected. Please recognize that the fact that you don’t share these fears signifies some level of privilege (good heath, able-bodied, a history of having your medical concerns affirmed, job stability, savings, familial support) that not everybody has.
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To the contrary, I think that false security measures distract from real health issues. People won't follow the important mandates if they see that much of the mandates are ineffective. Additionally, some of these measure actively hurt people in other ways, so it's not an issue of benign action.